In this episode of The Crone Codes, host Joan Advent welcomes KC Baker, a pioneer in feminine public speaking and embodied leadership.
They discuss KC's remarkable journey of grit and grace, vulnerability and determination to fulfill her most precious dream.
The dream that called her to go all in - to ACT on her faith, reach out and ASK for the help to fulfill her vision of owning, preserving and stewarding an iconic and sacred piece of land in Sedona, Arizona.
Along the way KC overcame formidable financial and emotional challenges and became a champion for other women ready to make bold asks and engage community support to realize their visions.
01:21 KC Baker's Journey and Achievements
05:25 The Importance of Asking
11:20 The Sedona Dream
24:20 The Bold Vision to Protect Sacred Land
24:48 Raising Funds Through Community Support
27:22 Facing Rejection and Overcoming Obstacles
30:49 A Last-Minute Miracle
33:24 The Power of Courageous Asking
35:30 Creating a Sanctuary for Women
36:32 Lessons in Vision and Community
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KC Baker Speak Up e-Book
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Velvet Flow: Embodiment Work Velvet Flow Guided Practice
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Transcript
Joan: Hello and welcome. I am Joan Advent, and today I am delighted. To welcome KC Baker to join me. Welcome, KC.
KC Baker: Oh, thank you so much. I am so happy to be here with you.
Joan: Yay. I know. I was just remembering, I think it's been 10 years since [00:01:00] I have known of you and your work.
And I first came across your work through another podcast with
Oh, really?
I think Amy Ahler like way, way back.
KC Baker: Oh, wonderful. Love her.
Joan: Yes. So.We're gonna dive into a number of crone codes today, but I wanna begin by sharing KC's bio with you, and I actually want you to close your eyes and receive this almost like a meditation.
As you hear what I'm sharing about KC and all that she has explored created and done. Just want you to receive the codes and to consider what are the crone codes that she has already gathered in her medicine basket, so to speak, and what are the codes that perhaps you are still learning or eager to learn or aspiring to, and to use this experience as a way to receive that more deeply for yourself.
So the fullness of KC, at least one or two dimensions of that. KC Baker has been a pioneer for the last 16 years in bringing a feminine approach to public speaking and leadership training. With her unique embodiment and nervous system rewiring practices, her company Womanspeak, has speaking circles around the world and teaches women how to cultivate internal safety and freedom to speak up authentically in their personal and professional lives.
Several years ago while running her company and raising her child, and after experiencing betrayal and loss of a significant romantic relationship, she experienced deep fatigue, stress, health and hormone issues. She discovered feminine Qigong practices. And they completely transformed her energy, her vitality, and stress levels, and healed her heart and her womb.
She has now started Velvet Flow, a practice incorporating sensual movement and feminine Qigong to help women learn to use their sexual energy for creating greater health, deeper serenity and abiding happiness. KC has spoken and taught at the United Nations in Switzerland. She was an advisor on authentic communication for Senator Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign and had supported women in speaking on stages like Ted, Bioneers, the American Heart Association, Wisdom 2.0.
She is a mama. She is a certified Tantra and Taoist teacher, and she is a stewardess of sacred land in Sedona, Arizona, and a deep, deep lover of nature.
Welcome KC.
Hmm, thank you.
With the richness of all that you bring and all that you are. Hmm hmm. Yes.
So I invited you initially to join us to talk about something that feels really critical to me , as far as women who are gathering all the personal and universal codes that allow us to embody the crone is, learning how to ask, learning how to make authentic asks, learning how to make big asks, learning how to ask from a place of deep vision and connectedness.
Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So I would love if you are open to sharing some stories, some wisdom, how you even learned to ask. Did you always know how to ask for what you wanted?
KC Baker: I think that there were some things that in particular felt very hard to ask for growing up. And then later in life when there were things that I really connected to that felt so important that were my vision and my desire, I had to go through a lot in order to find the courage.
And to really own the value of what I was asking for. And so, yeah, it's definitely been such a journey. I mean, emotional things were always very hard for me for a long time. Asking for what I needed emotionally in my life has been a journey. That's been a journey. And that's a big thing, you know, oftentimes we'll think about, asking for things like.
What we want materially or, you know, our work or investment or things like that is definitely one realm. But then there's, there's also the realm that's like behind closed doors about how do you ask for what your heart needs, you know? And those, I have found have been very difficult and a huge ripe place of learning.
And now that's just so much easier for me, but only through having gone through the challenges and the practice. So yeah, I'm very happy to share stories on any spectrum you would like for me to share about and I, and finding that freedom to ask for what we want really is a journey of deepening into the value of just who we are.
And what it is that we care about and what it is that we desire. And, so taking on the adventure and the challenge of really thinking about what is something that I really want in my life or that I dream about, that I don't have all the resources for? And really starting that quest of learning to ask is one of the most tremendous journeys of really deepening into such self-love and empowerment. And I think it really touches and affects everything in our lives. So if anybody's listening and they have something that they really are connecting to around something they feel they really wanna ask for, I just really wanna presence how holy that is.
Joan: Yes. Mm-hmm. Exactly. That sense of, desire or longing or vision or purpose, similar to, to what you were naming. Knowing that there's something you're meant to do that's, yes, that's bigger than you, and that will require dig digging deep to get, to have the courage or to stand in the willingness.
To be a voice for that.
Yes. Yes,
KC Baker: Yes It's a deep, it's a deep river for, so there's so much to say about it. I don't want to go down a tangent if you want to start with me telling a story lets tell a story, but I could start getting on my soapbox about all the visions that die, that are amazing visions in the world, because we feel so embarrassed to ask.
We're so afraid of rejection. Yes. And, so learning how to do this is just one of the most important things in order to really create the world that we know is possible for ourselves and, and for the broader world as well. Yeah.
Joan: Yes. And that is exactly, that is exactly why I wanted to start with you and with this, because certainly as aspiring Crone's or rising, or full on Crone's.
I see it as our call to help create the world that our visions are inspiring us to create, that that is a sacred responsibility and mantle. And if we don't know how to be a voice for it, if we don't know how to ask, we don't know how to risk, um, putting it out there those visions do die off.
Mm mm
And we don't become the women we have the capacity to be.
It's
KC: yes
a both and. So I have heard you share many powerful stories.
The story of your land in Sedona.
KC Baker: Oh my gosh. Well that, that one really is, that one grew me, it one grew me deep in this capacity. So yeah, I think that's a great story to start with. I think it's a great story.
Okay. So I think it really needs to start with the fact that in 2006, no, six, five. I was living in New York City and having just a very wild life there. Um, amazing life. I was very deep in the Mama Gina's community, if you're familiar with her work. And, running around the city with my girlfriends, exploring, living in pleasure and our desire. It was just the best, it was the best. Pre-child, you know, all the things.
And then I had a dream. One night, actually, I woke up one morning and there was, I woke up from a dream of these red rocks and the just infinite intensity feeling of longing in my heart, and I was like, what is this? I didn't know where they were. I didn't, I didn't have any clue, but I just knew wherever that was, I had to go there like I was clearly being, and it felt like it felt weird to me, like the rocks were communicating with me.
Joan: Wow.
KC Baker: But then I forgot it and I went on with my busy Manhattan life and one month later I woke up the exact same vision, exact same feeling, and I was like, okay, this is. It was so strong, the feeling of longing in my heart that I was like, I gotta go to the southwest.
Clearly these are in the Southwest. So that summer I went to the Southwest searching for these rocks and I rented a car and I drove around different places and I ended up driving one day into Sedona, Arizona. And it was just wham. The vision of those rocks in my dreams appeared right before me. I burst into tears and laughter and my favorite song at the time came on the radio and I just knew that I was home.
Hmm.
And on those four days that I spent in Sedona, I was led down to this area of Sedona that is called Red Rock Crossing.
Joan: Mm-hmm.
KC Baker: And it's at the creek. There's this beautiful sacred creek that runs through Sedona called Oak Creek. And. It's a place where you can stand at the creek and you can see this one particular rock formation called Cathedral Rock.
Joan: Mm-hmm.
KC Baker: Which I know, you know, and,, and it's really stunning. It, the, the vision with the creek and the rock. It's like on all the postcards, it's, it's actually the most photographed, it's the most photographed image of the American Southwest, even more than the Grand Canyon. Which is what saying some, it's pretty wild and I had an experience there of falling so deeply in love with this place. And I experienced a love unlike anything I'd ever experienced.
I experienced so much deep clarity of what I was to be doing in the world. It was really the beginning of my tuning into the work that I was to be doing with women's voices and the vision, and all I wanted was to be right there. That's all I wanted. It was my temple, my place to pray. And it, it is actually for so many other people, it's where weddings happen.
It's where it's a, it's a ceremonial place. It's considered the feminine energy vortex. Area of Sedona. So I end up moving there and long story short, I have this picture of that area, red Rock Crossing Cathedral Rock with the creek above my altar, and I'm living in Sedona and this other house not down there, but I go travel down there all the time to have it above my alter.
Every morning. I'm meditating in front of it is just like. Just, it just the presence so profound in my life and everywhere I traveled for the next 10 years. Um, and I lived in California. I had different homes, even took this photograph with me to Burning Man. I was just obsessed in the most devotional way with this place.
And there's this one little house right there where the, actually where you stand in front of the house on the lawn and that's the view. And there's only one house. It's surrounded by National Park and there's some neighbors like across the creek, on the other side and behind, but it's the only one that's right there.
And I remember taking, um, in 2009, I had been, I had moved to San Francisco or 10 or whatever it was, and I was traveling to Sedona for three months out of the year, every year. I just couldn't be away from it. And I met this wonderful man, who would later become my fiance and the husband and the father of my son, and is now my ex-husband.
But he, he came with me after three months of dating in 2010 and to Sedona to see this place that I love so much. And we stood down on the creek and I remember saying to him, I have one dream. I have one dream. My one dream in this whole life is to live right here in this little house right here, just so I can have my temple right here all the time.
And he said to me, I want to help you make that dream possible.
Joan: Hmm.
KC Baker: And it was such a sweet moment. And we both remember it so deeply. But it was like a seed and the power of sharing a genuine desire in the space of someone who has such fertile listening.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
KC Baker: Right? And he does right?
Holds the field of possibility. And in your greatness, those are gem people. You wanna keep close in your life, right?
So time goes on, we get engaged, we're living in San Francisco, I end up getting pregnant. And when I'm pregnant I'm like, I really wanna move to Sedona. And , and so we moved to Sedona. We lived in this other wonderful house.
We lived there for a year and a half, and there's my picture, I'm actually looking, this picture is like in my hall right here. The same, same picture, , and so we had to move back to San Francisco for his work and I was heartbroken. We moved back and our marriage was just totally on the rocks. It was a rough time, and we moved back to California in 2015 and we get separated.
And I am just beside myself because I miss Sedona so deeply. I'm exhausted as a new mother. I'm now separated. I have, during those years, before I had my son, I was just, you know, live events and group programs. But after I had my son, I actually made the decision to just focus on private work. So my income was not as high as it had been.
And I really needed to get away for a little time just to figure out my finances in this place of separation. So one of my clients, Christine Carlson, who's the author of the co-author of Don't Sweat The Small Stuff and The Don't Sweat The Small Stuff Series with her, her past husband, who has passed her late husband, I should say.
Anyways, she was so generous. She was like, you come stay at, she has this house by the sea. And she was like, go stay there for a couple days. And so I went and I took with me this book by Tony Robbins, Money that I had just gotten, and he guides people through this process of getting really clear on, in the later years of your life, what do you need for your income?
How much money do you have saved to do that? Like it was this amazing process and I did this process. He asked some great questions like, what do you like think your elder self is gonna really want?
Yeah.
And I was like, well, there's just one thing I just, I just really wanna live in that little home in Sedona.
I just felt so much love of the vision. I mean, it was just so amazing, amazing. And I wrote it down and then I just was like hm, I remember just being like, well, I'm just gonna go and check it out on Zillow, you know? So I grab my, I grab my phone and I'm sitting on this little couch and I go on Zillow and I find the house.
And I am shocked because the house is for sale. And not only is it for sale, it went for sale in the last 24 hours.
Oh my God.
I mean, it is, I am just freaking. I'm freaking out. I am freaking out. I mean, this is absolute magic. And I call my mom. My mom is just as excited as I am. She's so great and, and I and my mom, and, and I'm trying, I, I mean, I'm just like really trying not to think about how am I gonna buy it.
I'm a newly separated mom of a little kid whose income I turned down the last like two years, like right. But I just couldn't, the excitement and the awe was so much that I just didn't really let myself go there. And I called the agent and his name is Roy Grimm and he picks up the phone and I'm like, Roy, my name is KC Baker and, I'm calling about the little house and I gave the address and he's like, oh yeah, well, it's already under contract. And I was like, what? And he said, yeah, we got over 40 calls to put in an application in the last like 18 hours. Wow. It's been insane. It's already under contract. I'm like, no, you don't, like, you don't understand.
This is. This is my home. And he's like, I'm sure he's like, who is this crazy person? He's like, well, I dunno what to tell you. It's, you know, it's under contract. And I was like, how can this be? And he is like, I can show you other houses, like there are no other houses. And he's like, okay, well you can call me back.
You know, most, maybe it'll fall through, but most of the time they don't. But you're welcome to call me back. And I'm just like, okay. I was just. Could not, how could this possibly, you know, how could this be? This is just too magical. Like how could that, so I called my, you know, recently separated husband David, and I told him, and he was just, oh my God.
I mean, he was like, KC, hold the faith. Hold the faith. I mean, he was such my champion in this. Hold the faith. And I, it became, I was so clear. I just, I just let myself get into this space of just this intense ecstasy of the vision of bringing women to my land, of being all my land and the, I mean, the full blown pleasure filled ecstasy, the joy through my whole body.
I mean, and then there was this other part that was just devastated. You know, and so it began the beginning of this journey of being in this stretch between maintaining my energy of excitement and the, and the, just the, you know, devastation of it. So anyways, I really prayed on it. I even went to Sedona. I prayed, I said, look, if you want, I, I went to the land and I was like, look, if you want me to steward this land, I am.
I'm here. I will steward it. And if you don't, then. I turn it over, you know, and I turned it over. And then a couple days later, I'm leading a Womanspeak event in San Francisco. There's like 40 women in the room. We go on break, I check my phone and I get a text message from Roy Grimm and he said, Hey, the contract fell through and you're the first person I'm calling.
Joan: Aww
KC Baker: And he said, you know, I'm actually changing to a new real estate agent. So the listing is not gonna update as showing available for sale for about four days.
Joan: Wow.
KC Baker: So you, you have four days to figure it out.
Wow.
And I will never forget sitting on that stairwell in this place by myself during lunch like, how am I gonna do this? How am I gonna do this? I have to come up with an $80,000 down payment in those four days. What, that's it. Like there's no way, you know, how am I gonna do this? And I was like, I gotta figure it out. So first I went to my ex-husband and I made the outrageous ask if he would be willing to go in on the loan with me for this house.
And that was a big question because we had just separated. But he knew how magical this was. How, and he had, he just knew he'd been so in on this vision for so many years at this point. And he was like, yeah, and we'd figure out the refinancing in a couple of years. And he was willing. I'm so grateful.
And so we began the journey and we applied, we got pre-approved and I had to come up with the down payment, and I didn't have it. I did not have it. He did not have it.
I wasn't gonna ask him for a cent for it.
Joan: Mm-hmm.
KC Baker: And I, you know, didn't have money from family, but you know, it was just so I started just having to be like, what are the things that I need to do? I mean, I just got really bold and I was so drawn forward by the vision in such a deep way of how can I get this land to protect the sacred land?
And I first started by sending out an email to my whole email list, telling them about the vision for this land and how sacred it is, and would you be willing to help me make it real? And, you know, give me a loan for $5,000, $10,000. I mean, it was such a vulnerable,
Yes
What are they gonna think of me?
Joan: Hmm.
KC Baker: Who does this? To buy my own house, you know, I'm asking people to give me money to buy my house. I mean, like, but it, but the land was so much more to me than just my house.
Right, right. It really was to steward the sacred land and, and I, and, and so I'll never forget, I got a phone call about 30 minutes later from a dear friend Ali Shanti. She was like, I will give you $10,000 loan. And it was the first person, and it was just the confidence that that gave me was so huge.
Yes.
So then I was flying to New York that day and I was like, okay, I gotta make this happen. It was really clear it was gonna take personal reach outs, and so I made a list of like 80 people, 80 women.
Wow.
Past clients, current clients, friends, colleagues. And I don't drink caffeine, but I had a pot of coffee.
And then I went in this courtyard out behind this apartment building in New York where I was, and I spent all day dialing and talking to people and asking, making this courageous ask for help and support. And within that 48 hours, I'd raised $80,000.
Wow.
And it came in the form of both loans that I would repay. It came in the form of people prepaying for private client work. And we did it, and I was able to get the deposit. So we got the deposit. It was a massive triumph. It was so amazing. I'll never forget taking the, the, the, the money I'd received into the bank to deposit to the whole thing, and realizing all of this had come from a community of women
Joan: hmm.
KC Baker: that came together to support my vision.
Wow.
It was incredible giving what they could, $5,000, $10,000. So we had that, and then we thought hopefully it'd be pretty easy from there to just get the remainder of the mortgage on the house and we close and that was it.
Except for the fact that we got denied. Because David owned, a very large share of his company, and if you own more than 25% of your company
mm-hmm.
They evaluate you much more differently as a high risk. And we both did. Both of us did. And so we got turned down. Uh, it was devastating. And then we got to go to another lender and then got turned down again.
It was so scary. We were doing all these things, we'd be thinking we could work with different lenders and work with entrepreneurs and, and all this stuff. And the, the people who were selling the house, the woman who had lived there for years who had died, raised, her four sons there. I think they just knew that I was gonna be like really central to this.
I just, they, they felt something about me. And because their mother, like when I went to the house and looked through the house, they still had a bunch of her stuff. It was a whole stack of paintings and artwork that had been on her walls, and every single one was an image of Cathedral Rock. We were, she was a priestess of Cathedral Rock, like, I think they felt that with me, and so they were willing to work with me to extend the closing.
We extended the closing four times.
Wow.
For four months.
Wow.
They let me extend it. I was paying their mortgage by the end and we kept getting shut down. It was devastating Joan. I was in the most profound feelings of devastation. And I'll remember there was a woman who, who I really love, but she said to me, she was like, maybe if it's not feeling easy, it's just not meant to be, you know, it's this whole spiritual teachings, let it be easy.
Just, just sit like an egg and let it all come to you. You know, that whole thing?
Yes.
And I was like. No. Like, because here was the thing, if I didn't exercise everything within my power within me to ask for support or to find a way, I knew that I would regret that for the rest of my life.
Joan: Uhh,
KC Baker: it was so deep.
Joan: Yes,
KC Baker: It would be the biggest regret of my life if I did not find the courage to do the things that were within my power to do, but I felt so much about.
Joan: Mm-hmm.
KC Baker: Like who goes out and asks people for $400,000? A bad girl, bad girl. Bad. Bad. We do not do that. You don't ask for too much. Yeah. And then what if you get rejected and you feel so effing embarrassed for having asked
Joan: Yes.
KC Baker: Right? Like that wound of the fear of the deepest rejection and not feeling worthy of asking for it and feeling like, who am I to do Like it was so flared, I had to face that in the deepest way.
It just brought me right deep into it, and I had to hold the pole of the ecstasy and the joy of this vision to keep me moving forward alongside this profound despair. I mean, it was the ultimate.
Intense stretch of my heart, and literally it was September, the end of September and the owners came and they said, I am so sorry we have someone ready to pay cash.
I had three days.
Mm-hmm.
Even just talking about it right now just brings me back. It was so intense. It was just like, how could I lose this dream? You know, my most precious dream.
Yes.
And I was just crying all the time, you know, knowing that I had to do the thing that I was so terrified to do, which I eventually did.
I made this, I was had crying, snot the whole thing coming down my face, and I sent a message to this friend. That actually was someone I had dated very briefly who knew about my vision about this, and, and he was a deep earth keeper. He is a very wealthy man. You know, who works in clean energy and has a VC firm for clean energy.
He does profound work on the planet for the planet, and is a very wealthy individual. Had another girlfriend by now, you know, in a relationship I had felt even sort of rejected by him. I mean, it was, this was not easy, you know? So I sent him this message and I am like, we didn't get the house. I need to ask you to buy it because I really need somebody to, this land needs to be protected.
It's too precious to be turned over to somebody who doesn't get it and will hold it in that way. And he was at Burning Man and he calls me back, thank God that there is cellular at Burning Man. And he calls me back. He's like, listen, let's figure this out. He is like, I don't have the available cash in the next 48 hours to make the purchase.
But if you can find two people or someone, or a group of people who can front the cash, I will be the guarantor on that loan.
Joan: Hmm.
KC Baker: And then I will pay them back within six months. And then you and I will have this loan together, and then you can get refinancing and we'll figure it out. Ahh. So amazing. But I still had to find the money.
Joan: Yes.
KC Baker: So then I'm like, oh God. I mean the heart. My heart was just, okay.
And so then I called this other man who I had really, it was part of my community from California who I had really only one time had a really wonderful, sweet connection with at Burning Man, like
Joan: mm-hmm.
KC Baker: Several years before. We just had a really sweet friendship. You know, a really delightful friendship that I didn't know him deeply at all though, you know? But I knew he loved the earth. He's a deep earth protector, and he is a very successful businessman. So I called him and in a conversation it lasted maybe 90 seconds. I said, "Bertram".
I told him, real quickly the situation and the story. I was like, I need to ask you if you can loan me money and essentially help create this private mortgage. And I told him the situation. He is like, done, I can send you $150,000. I needed to get like $432,000. And I was like, okay. And this was amazing.
And I was like, thank you. I'm just flipping out. And then I called this other man. Who also was part of my community in California. I did not know him well, but he knew a little bit of my story about this land and very successful, and I called him again. It took maybe 60 seconds to share my heart and vulnerably ask for this support, and he said, yeah, let's do it.
And these. Two men came together and my friend Ally, who was the first person to loan me $10,000, she's a lawyer. I called her. She pulled together all the contracts. We got it all done, and within 48 hours we had the funds. And I was signing on the dotted line and I had the house.
Joan: Whoa.
KC Baker: And it was just unbelievable.
The moment of joy and almost disbelief. I mean, just awe, you know? And the. The gratitude that this entire community came together to do this still just blows me away. It blows me away. It blows me away.
And this property has been a place where I've. Both raised my son. I now live in Scottsdale because of my son's medical and education needs.
But we still have this beautiful property, and I share it with people on Airbnb. But I have hosted so many incredible experiences for women on this land. Incredible retreats and, commitment ceremonies to their wisdom.
And it has been, it is just, it's so profoundly special. And the lesson for me in all of this, I mean, sometimes I, I really am like, what else do I need to really go for in my life and do courageous asking up about, because you can create so much, you know?
And I think that it's easy to, to think that we're alone and we've gotta make it all happen. And that's what our society tells us. It also tells us that there's these underlying messages as women that we shouldn't ask for too much. You know?
Joan: Absolutely.
KC Baker: That we shouldn't be too much.
Joan: Yes.
KC Baker: But actually it's our ability to share a vision and invite others into participating in that vision that is our superpower.
Especially, I think at any time, but as we get older that the refinement of our vision and our wisdom is one of the highest expressions of our soul. And so bringing voice to invite others into vision is something that, I mean, I don't think there's anything more worthwhile to learn and to stretch yourself to do.
For the impact of yourself and for others.
We have really strong plans and have been of protecting this land, so it can never be wildly developed.
Joan: Mm-hmm.
KC Baker: You know, in my lifetime.
Joan: Mm-hmm.
KC Baker: That's part of our vision of really preserving the sanctuary. And, and that's so that's, what we're doing with it.
But everybody has incredible vision and dreams. We all have dreams, we all have dreams. Oftentimes we tell ourselves, these , these dreams, they're so big, huh? But we don't do the things inside to
Joan: Right.
KC Baker: To bring it out. And I think some of it is like my friend who I really disagree. Like if it's not easy. You know, but sometimes even if it's not easy, it doesn't mean it's not worth it.
And the truth is, is that our dreams are the things that call us into evolving into who we're meant to become.
Joan: Exactly.
KC Baker: And that's not always easy.
Joan: Exactly.
KC Baker: But it will deepen us. Yeah. So,
Joan: Exactly, exactly.
KC Baker: That's my wild story, and I hope that there's somebody who's listening right now who's like.
Joan: All right,
KC Baker: I'm gonna go make some phone calls!
That's what I hope this does to someone out there. If you're feeling that, go do it.
Joan: Go do it now.
KC Baker: Go do it. Go do it.
Joan: Exactly. Because I can imagine the who you were at the start of that and the who you were when you signed that dotted line.
KC Baker: Oh my gosh.
Joan: Massive expansive
KC Baker: Massive
Yeah, and you know what expanded in my work with Womanspeak?
Joan: Yes.
KC Baker: In the years following that, I think I really had to go through that portal to be able to really hold that expansion
Joan: Yes.
KC Baker: Of that work.
Joan: Yes. There's so much packed in that. The issue of the willingness, the value. Of ourselves, of our vision, our, our courage, our willingness to receive, like your willingness to receive the support and know that, you could have that, that, that could be given to you.
There are so many places where we can get stuck along the way.
KC Baker: Yes.
Joan: But making those big asks and even that sense of opening to the ecstatic of the vision and of the dream, through my lens I see like the sacred coming through our hearts desires and calling us to be those women and those presences and those forces in the world.
KC Baker: Yeah.
Joan: Mm-hmm.
KC Baker: Yeah. It is, and what a, what a gift when you have the resources to be able to participate in something that is so beautiful and meaningful as protecting sacred land, in this case. But people all want to be part of something inspiring.
Joan: Absolutely.
KC Baker: They do. They really do.
And I think it's important to remember that because it can be an internal disconnect inside of ourselves. Like it's inspiring to us, but there's some kind of self value piece that's a little un integrated and we can think nobody would wanna support this, but actually people would love to be a part of your beautiful vision and dream if you let them.
Joan: Yes. Yes.
KC Baker: Yeah.
Joan: Yeah.
So I wish that we could unpack so many more pieces of this, because I just wanna express, I have received the gift of Womanspeak, and this is a core lesson that you teach.
The how to be a voice for your vision, how to open up your voice, how to feel safe in your body, and then the whole Velvet Flow dimension.
That's , a whole other piece to unpack, which we don't have the time for today, but the integration of all that you bring. The, you know, I think about the land and the embodiment. And even in your story, like the feminine community coming together and then the masculine coming in to support.
KC Baker: Yes.
Joan: And the integration of all of that, and you getting to be the nexus point for that. Like you getting to be the conduit for all of that to flow through to create this amazing sanctuary.
KC Baker: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Joan: Yes.
KC Baker: Yeah, it was so heart exploding to feel the depth of support. And I think that is here waiting for all of us when we're waiting to be vulnerable and, speak from that place of what our need and our desire is.
We get to experience how actually, in so many ways kind and benevolent and loving and supportive the world can be.
Joan: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
So we need to bring this to a close for today. If you want to go a little bit deeper, we will have some bonus content, which you can check out. I'll put the link in the show notes, and I'm going to have all the ways to learn about KC's work, all of her websites, and even a free gift, which is a,
do you wanna say what it is? It's , a beautiful Velvet Flow, like 20 or 25 minute experience.
KC Baker: Yes. Yes. And , actually. You can tell me if this is right because we have a beautiful Velvet Flow practice that will help you to deeply regulate your nervous system. It's extraordinary for your health and vitality.
But I'm also happy to provide, a free gift of an ebook that we have called, Speak Up that I think may be
Joan: yeah,
KC Baker: very helpful. In regards to this conversation, that really helps women to find the freedom to speak up and get clear on what they're actually speaking up for. So I think that could be very connected to this conversation, so I'm happy to send that over too.
Joan: Beautiful. Thank you for that.
KC Baker: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Joan: So, thank you for taking the time to be with me today and to be with us and to share your just potent, powerful story.
KC Baker: Oh, thank you for. Having me. Such a sweet, sweet time being with you. Thank you.
Joan: Yes.
And I wanna say thank you to our listeners and to remind you that as you are making your ripples in life, that you are loved and you are love.
KC Baker: Mm, so true.
